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natural gas conversion

#1 Post by rezdiver » Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:01 pm

has anyone attempted a natural gas conversion to run both gasoline and natural gas on a fuel injected rover V8?

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#2 Post by HeadDamage » Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:03 pm

Natural gas or propane/LPG?

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#3 Post by rezdiver » Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:05 pm

natural gas, CNG.
i know there is a lot of LPG in the UK but i want to see about CNG

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#4 Post by HeadDamage » Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:13 pm

Nope... I've not seen anyone here do Nat gas. Other than illegaly taping into a house hold line I don't even know where you would get it. I guess there could be some vehical filling stations with it. The reall ticket would be to fill off of a house hold line but you would need a gas compresser to fill the tank as the line pressure is too low to do the job.

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#5 Post by rezdiver » Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:17 pm

mohawk carries it here in victoria, there are a bunch of stations that carry it on the mainland.
i wanted to do a dual conversion to run both gas and natural gas.

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#6 Post by HeadDamage » Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:23 pm

Ok... haven't seen it here in Calgary. I would guess that you could convert the rover to a US type carb/throttle body gas setup then use a north american nat gas conversion.

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#7 Post by rezdiver » Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:26 pm

there should be tons there especially in calgary and edmonton.
i have heard some conversions on northamerican trucks that keep the existing fuel injection and run this in addition to that. but i have not seen any to go along with the rover EFI.

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#8 Post by HeadDamage » Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:33 pm

You might be able to use parts of a UK LPG kit to keep the stock EFI system but the nat gas bits would have to be from here I suspect. Do LPG and Nat gas systems use different storage and operating pressures?

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#9 Post by rezdiver » Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:48 pm

yes,
Nat gas uses High pressure cylinders rated for over 3000psi. and LPG uses tanks rated at around 500psi, big difference for storage, i have both sets of tanks here, just need the system, the Nat gas has a step down regulator also to reduce that much pressure. as for operating pressures i would guess they both range from atmospheric pressure(14.7 psi) to no more than 100 psi at max.
I have also heard that for dual conversions they take the intake manifold and plug in the nat gas injectors as close to the intake as possible while keeping everything else stock for the EFI injectors, kind of side by side.

basically on a dual gas you can swith fuels with a flick of a switch, you start the vehicle on gasoline and then swithch to Nat gas.

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#10 Post by DaveB » Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:43 pm

No recent experience, but I had a friend in the early 90s who powered a Dodge van with straight nat gas.

It seemed to work OK but was really gutless in an already gutless van, and was prone to hard starting in cool wet climate of Abbotsford. Perhaps if he could have had dual fuel and started with gasoline it would have been more successful. I can't remember if it was intended to be a single fuel system or if the gasoline side was just not working, but starting up with gasoline might be a good plan...

Dave

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