Facebook?
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rhino_ed
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rezdiver
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why not set up a poll as many that use the web board usually do not attend meetings as we are far away or not full members.
I personally do not like facebook and refuse to join facebook in general. I enjoy some privacy which facebook does not provide at all. and i can also surf the roverlanders board and not have to sign in everytime unless i have something to say. I dont see how anonimity can be kept with facebook and they own and can do what ever they want with every picture you post on their site.
I personally do not like facebook and refuse to join facebook in general. I enjoy some privacy which facebook does not provide at all. and i can also surf the roverlanders board and not have to sign in everytime unless i have something to say. I dont see how anonimity can be kept with facebook and they own and can do what ever they want with every picture you post on their site.
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Dave_F
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If you don't use it how can you comment on it's privacy issues??? :shock:rezdiver wrote:why not set up a poll as many that use the web board usually do not attend meetings as we are far away or not full members.
I personally do not like facebook and refuse to join facebook in general.
Any image that is posted on the world wide web is subject to misuse...including all of the images on the photo pages on the Roverlander site.
Quite frankly we should probably nuke the FB site. The discussions regarding it are embarrassing and really illustrates to anyone reading the thread what a bunch of misinformed old farts we are......
This thread should be in members only section.
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nakedbarra
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hmmmmmmmm
Or take it to the face book site? :dontknow:
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rezdiver
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"If you don't use it how can you comment on it's privacy issues"
I know because my better half is on it all the time. by privacy issues i meant that decades of old aquaintances and others now knowing you are here and trying to contact you.
as for pictures, i understand the whole thing regarding the world wide web, but with facebook your pictures are actually distributed and sold by facebook. it is right there in the fine print. i doubt that roverlanders has a habit of selling and distributing our pictures.
I really enjoy this website as it stands.
I know because my better half is on it all the time. by privacy issues i meant that decades of old aquaintances and others now knowing you are here and trying to contact you.
as for pictures, i understand the whole thing regarding the world wide web, but with facebook your pictures are actually distributed and sold by facebook. it is right there in the fine print. i doubt that roverlanders has a habit of selling and distributing our pictures.
I really enjoy this website as it stands.
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jefflondon
I missed the first part of this discussion earlier, but have had an entertaining half an hour catching up!!
Unfortunately I can see both sides of the issue, but now that Pandora’s box has been opened.............
First, I am not a FB user, however I have a page. (that I never maintain, unlike my rover.....wink)
Having said that: I do see the (gulp) need for a website like that in today’s world. And I do believe that ultimately there might one day be a stronger FB rover Landers presence than website. (sniff) If we as a group choose to encourage the use of it.
Having said that: I do see a need for a completely independent, sovern web presence for our club. A site that is run by us (users, not members - yes I will pay at FD Dave ;') and one that is non reliant on a corporation that has no interest in us whatsoever as users let alone a group.
Having said THAT: FB offers some advantages over our wonderful but small (as far as websites go) website. As someone alluded to earlier FB offers sheer volume. A friend will tell a friend, Viral marketing at its prime. I’m sure usage of forums would increase ten fold in a very short span. Something a stand alone website cannot compete with.
BUT
Is that a good thing? Do we want a global presence? We are a BC based club after all.
And can a FB page/group/persona, do everything we require our web presence to do. Can it announce, support, inform, and congregate our group in such a way where we leave no one behind? And have access to the web tools to: sell badges, have a calendar, talk trucks, show pics, and be able to have advertisements that support our club, not the website?
If I am going to go online and see ad’s, I’d rather see ads for cool stuff like trucks and parts and toys, and….(drool). I don’t want to se ad’s for Sears and La Senza…………wait I meant Maytag. The La Senza ad’s are fine.
And if we end up deciding that the FB site cannot support all our needs, and we continue to keep this site up and running for many more wonderful years. What’s the point of having two sites? Now I’ll just get twice as confused………
I guess in the absence of the discussion at the AGM, we, for now have access to both sites. It will be a interesting discussion in January I’m sure.
So much for staying impartial……
Does Facebook Tread Lightly? LOL
Unfortunately I can see both sides of the issue, but now that Pandora’s box has been opened.............
First, I am not a FB user, however I have a page. (that I never maintain, unlike my rover.....wink)
Having said that: I do see the (gulp) need for a website like that in today’s world. And I do believe that ultimately there might one day be a stronger FB rover Landers presence than website. (sniff) If we as a group choose to encourage the use of it.
Having said that: I do see a need for a completely independent, sovern web presence for our club. A site that is run by us (users, not members - yes I will pay at FD Dave ;') and one that is non reliant on a corporation that has no interest in us whatsoever as users let alone a group.
Having said THAT: FB offers some advantages over our wonderful but small (as far as websites go) website. As someone alluded to earlier FB offers sheer volume. A friend will tell a friend, Viral marketing at its prime. I’m sure usage of forums would increase ten fold in a very short span. Something a stand alone website cannot compete with.
BUT
Is that a good thing? Do we want a global presence? We are a BC based club after all.
And can a FB page/group/persona, do everything we require our web presence to do. Can it announce, support, inform, and congregate our group in such a way where we leave no one behind? And have access to the web tools to: sell badges, have a calendar, talk trucks, show pics, and be able to have advertisements that support our club, not the website?
If I am going to go online and see ad’s, I’d rather see ads for cool stuff like trucks and parts and toys, and….(drool). I don’t want to se ad’s for Sears and La Senza…………wait I meant Maytag. The La Senza ad’s are fine.
And if we end up deciding that the FB site cannot support all our needs, and we continue to keep this site up and running for many more wonderful years. What’s the point of having two sites? Now I’ll just get twice as confused………
I guess in the absence of the discussion at the AGM, we, for now have access to both sites. It will be a interesting discussion in January I’m sure.
So much for staying impartial……
Does Facebook Tread Lightly? LOL
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jefflondon
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DaveB
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Dave_F
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:bs: As far as the whole image issue, a careful reading of the Terms and Conditions :book: makes it obvious that the license is meant for the purpose of running the site. Without it, it would be illegal for Facebook to create thumbnails and albums, take backups of the servers where the pictures reside or even displaying them. Have you ever heard of someones pictures being sold for a profit by Facebook? How long would people use it if this was the case? :dontknow:rezdiver wrote:
as for pictures, i understand the whole thing regarding the world wide web, but with facebook your pictures are actually distributed and sold by facebook :glasses5: :computer:. it is right there in the fine print. i doubt that roverlanders has a habit of selling and distributing our pictures.
Nobody is saying that we should change or eliminate our website! Our Web site is great (good job DB :thumbleft:)! Facebook would be just a complimentary site for those who wish to use it.
There is definitely some functions that could benefit our membership. Wouldn't it be nice to be notified about a last minute event or run automatically? :rev:
Also as the FB group is open you can lurk :lurk: all you want and Uncle Frank :glasses9: and Aunt Martha :glasses10: won't find you. Additionally they have just upgraded their Privacy Settings so you can filter out whomever you want to see you or not.
I really don't understand the hostility toward the site? :argue:
Let the commoners have their say....I've cast my vote. :wave:
Sorry 'bout all the emoticons...but they help me think before I click send... :pottytrain5:
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Rob
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Well, I'll be blunt (with no offense intended to the FB folks out there) - I have a facebook page, had it for about three years now and I rarely use it because of all the useless and annoying crap (IMHO) that seems to go along with it. My vote is no for a rover landers FB page, very much no - let's just jump ahead and say no to Twitter while were are at it
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Dave_F
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jefflondon
So what happens if we vote for the second option?
Are we going to ask them to take the FB page down? Or is the Rover Landers just not going to openly support that page on FB?
And if we arn't going to stop the page, then why are we asking this question at all? Why not just let whom ever wants to use that page go right ahead, and this site just continues on like it always has?
I guess, I understand the answers, I just don't get the question :?
Are we going to ask them to take the FB page down? Or is the Rover Landers just not going to openly support that page on FB?
And if we arn't going to stop the page, then why are we asking this question at all? Why not just let whom ever wants to use that page go right ahead, and this site just continues on like it always has?
I guess, I understand the answers, I just don't get the question :?
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Doc Tari
This really sounds like something that needs to be decided by a vote of the members. I suggest we do so at the AGM and allow proxy voting for those that can't attend. In the meantime, people can express their points of view on this thread.
I'm not sure if this debate and the concerns brought up here should be members only or not but any votes that count should certainly be those of the membership only, not a poll on this forum. I also don't think that the opinions expressed imply anyone is out of touch, no matter how "old fartish" they may seem to some. Just my 2 cents, I'm sure our capable executive will do the right thing...
I'm not sure if this debate and the concerns brought up here should be members only or not but any votes that count should certainly be those of the membership only, not a poll on this forum. I also don't think that the opinions expressed imply anyone is out of touch, no matter how "old fartish" they may seem to some. Just my 2 cents, I'm sure our capable executive will do the right thing...
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Mirth
Experience with the web...
I know I should stay out of this, but there is this little devil on my shoulder egg'in me on... Who am I to argue with the pitchfork armed "mini-me".
My background, you ask? I'm a computer guy by trade, it is what I do and it paid my membership dues for the club! I've hosted web sites, forums, voice chat servers, and the like for many different groups over the ages; in fact, two or three groups still use my free services for their web presence and voice communications (VOIP). I mention this so that everyone understands that, even though I'm only flapping my lips-- fingers?-- here, there is a wee bit of experience behind it. :) (there is the obligatory smiley that must appear in my messages)
I have no issues with Facebook or Twitter, although I don't really use either much. In my daytime job, I've had to "police" the use of both from staff and guests using our network. I know that many people don't understand the freedom of information exchange that happens with that site. The new features are great but don't fully secure the information.
That isn't my point, however. I'd like to suggest that in my "customers" sites (can they really be customers if I'm not getting paid?) I've always noticed a breakdown in the communication levels when multiple locations are used to pass on information. We are about to dive into the same issues by having both a website and a facebook presence. Information found on one doesn't get placed on the other, so people are left out. Some people will talk about items from the member only area in the public area of the other site, and a whole mess of other issues arise from having two sources of information.
I know that it is possible to integrate both twitter and facebook directly into the website-- although I've never done it myself, it isn't hard to do-- but someone else asked a very valid question: "should we do that?" If we decide to have both, then the only way to ensure they remain syncronized is to link them and have information entered into one appear in the other. The decision to do this is really up to the club membership and executive, but my personal feeling is that we should focus on one communication format. This would ensure that information is provided complete and intact for all members instead of being fractured between two places.
Would I support Facebook, sure. Would I prefer the website, yep. Would I provide integration between the two for my hosted sites, probably not. ;) The volume of junk-mail style messages goes up if facebook and twitter are not carefully maintained. True it gets word out, but, is it to the right people?
I'll let the club decide that, because one person shouldn't...
Whatever the case, I'm sure we will do the right thing in the end and the club will benefit.
SIDE NOTE: I just got my membership package in the mail. Love the sticker, newsletters, and welcome letter. Going out to find a good place to stick the Rover-Landers to... Why do they have to tint the back windows sooooo much?
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My background, you ask? I'm a computer guy by trade, it is what I do and it paid my membership dues for the club! I've hosted web sites, forums, voice chat servers, and the like for many different groups over the ages; in fact, two or three groups still use my free services for their web presence and voice communications (VOIP). I mention this so that everyone understands that, even though I'm only flapping my lips-- fingers?-- here, there is a wee bit of experience behind it. :) (there is the obligatory smiley that must appear in my messages)
I have no issues with Facebook or Twitter, although I don't really use either much. In my daytime job, I've had to "police" the use of both from staff and guests using our network. I know that many people don't understand the freedom of information exchange that happens with that site. The new features are great but don't fully secure the information.
That isn't my point, however. I'd like to suggest that in my "customers" sites (can they really be customers if I'm not getting paid?) I've always noticed a breakdown in the communication levels when multiple locations are used to pass on information. We are about to dive into the same issues by having both a website and a facebook presence. Information found on one doesn't get placed on the other, so people are left out. Some people will talk about items from the member only area in the public area of the other site, and a whole mess of other issues arise from having two sources of information.
I know that it is possible to integrate both twitter and facebook directly into the website-- although I've never done it myself, it isn't hard to do-- but someone else asked a very valid question: "should we do that?" If we decide to have both, then the only way to ensure they remain syncronized is to link them and have information entered into one appear in the other. The decision to do this is really up to the club membership and executive, but my personal feeling is that we should focus on one communication format. This would ensure that information is provided complete and intact for all members instead of being fractured between two places.
Would I support Facebook, sure. Would I prefer the website, yep. Would I provide integration between the two for my hosted sites, probably not. ;) The volume of junk-mail style messages goes up if facebook and twitter are not carefully maintained. True it gets word out, but, is it to the right people?
I'll let the club decide that, because one person shouldn't...
Whatever the case, I'm sure we will do the right thing in the end and the club will benefit.
SIDE NOTE: I just got my membership package in the mail. Love the sticker, newsletters, and welcome letter. Going out to find a good place to stick the Rover-Landers to... Why do they have to tint the back windows sooooo much?
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rhino_ed
Re-post of what I put up on facebook :
"Yea, understandably, I hope they know that this is supposed to be a bare bones link to the main site and a way of promoting the group. There is no reason to replace what is already far more effective. Nor is there any reason to use the discussion area here (facebook) thus no real reason why any "old-school" Rover-Lander would have to join if they didn't want to. The online activity should be exclusive to the main site.
Facebook just announced having 350 mil. members. I am sure some of them have or will find the Rover-Landers site through this link. Free advertising and image hosting, so why not."
No tangents, no side groups, no one being left out. The only intention is to have a presence to encourage new members. The "wall" and discussion boards on facebook have been disabled. Vote on it at the agm.
Just ordered some bfg a/t ko's from Don at Rover Tech, very excited! :D
"Yea, understandably, I hope they know that this is supposed to be a bare bones link to the main site and a way of promoting the group. There is no reason to replace what is already far more effective. Nor is there any reason to use the discussion area here (facebook) thus no real reason why any "old-school" Rover-Lander would have to join if they didn't want to. The online activity should be exclusive to the main site.
Facebook just announced having 350 mil. members. I am sure some of them have or will find the Rover-Landers site through this link. Free advertising and image hosting, so why not."
No tangents, no side groups, no one being left out. The only intention is to have a presence to encourage new members. The "wall" and discussion boards on facebook have been disabled. Vote on it at the agm.
Just ordered some bfg a/t ko's from Don at Rover Tech, very excited! :D
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steveep
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I'm addicted to FB, love the updates to the phone as well as the ease of use for us to share our photos, and I'm sure I easily rival ANY member on this site in my FB usage...(have to do something during those long university lectures, or when I'm supposed to be writing papers). HOWEVER, I don't think it's any replacement for this site. Primarily for me, i don't think the FB forum set up adequately replaces this forum. I'm also not sure how it works (as I unfortunately have been stuck on the island, broke and busy, not able to attend meetings) but I imagine it's also good for us to be able to offer ad space to our sponsors on here...which we cannot do on facebook.
Anyways, just my 2 cents... I like the idea of a group on there for anyone who does have an FB account, but I think it should be secondary to this.
ALSO, for those of you who want updates to your blackberry/iphone, you can be notified of topic replies on here just as easily by e-mail, which your blackberry/iphone can just as easily tell you about
Anyways, just my 2 cents... I like the idea of a group on there for anyone who does have an FB account, but I think it should be secondary to this.
ALSO, for those of you who want updates to your blackberry/iphone, you can be notified of topic replies on here just as easily by e-mail, which your blackberry/iphone can just as easily tell you about
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PaulC
Lots of good and interesting comments.....as we continue to discuss, I get a sense there is some fear of duplication and people missing info cause they not sure where to look.....yes maybe, but ask yourself ? :?: :idea:
When you hit the web for any type of research, information or entertainment, do you just go to a single page/site and think you have seen it all. :!:
Probably not? :?: .....You probably go to many many sites in a short period of time to get the info you need and want at the time you want it. :)
When you hit the web for any type of research, information or entertainment, do you just go to a single page/site and think you have seen it all. :!:
Probably not? :?: .....You probably go to many many sites in a short period of time to get the info you need and want at the time you want it. :)
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larry emrick
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no to facebook
Outstanding: I cast my no vote before I realized a running tally of votes is being kept and my first thrill of the day was to see that the nos are far outpacing anything else. Surely anyone who drives, maintains and enjoys a 30-year-old vehicle can survive with another piece of "old" technology.
Larry Emrick
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