Motions for the AGM
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rick.m
ballot etc
JIm .I will try. My thoughts are we need the increase as a way to ofset the large portion of our dues that go to the 4X4 association. Of our dues we send $15.00 to them. I feel that we would do a better job of building our club interest if we could provide a little more in the way of hospitality at our outings, if we had more funds. I would like the club to have a PORTABLE MICROPHONE ,a coffee maker for over a stove {large}. The other thing is we dont have the advertising revenue we used to . hope this will lend some insite. Please remember this is only my opinion!!! all the best. rick.m [a roverlander]..
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Bill E.
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Jim, Rick's arguments/opinions made sense to me at the meeting in November which is why I was compelled to second the motion on the increase. Since that time however I have started to have my doubts. Our advertising revenue is down obviously because the newsletter has been languishing. This is too bad because I really miss the newsletter. I am not being critical of anyone here, quite the contrary, I think that Dave and the rest of the executive have done a great job this year by keeping the outings up and high profile and for bringing the website to a whole new level. I see that there are now advertising banners on the website which is great and hopefully will help offset other lost advertising income.
I know its a big job to run the newsletter and mail it out but I do believe that the newsletter is core to the club and for those not online it is their only contact for the money they lay out each year. The newsletter is also the only thing that really separates the dues paying members from the lowlife scumdog non-dues-paying lurkers. OOOps did I type that out loud? As far as the 4WDABC goes my opinion is still out as to the viability of that organization as a voice for all fourwheeler's. Again, I don't wish to diminish the noble efforts of some of the 4WDABC members but I'm just not convinced that this is the vehicle(no pun intended) to represent us on land use issues. I am sorry to flip flop on my support for some of these initiatives, wait a minute, no I'm not, doh, yes I am, no.....
Bill
I know its a big job to run the newsletter and mail it out but I do believe that the newsletter is core to the club and for those not online it is their only contact for the money they lay out each year. The newsletter is also the only thing that really separates the dues paying members from the lowlife scumdog non-dues-paying lurkers. OOOps did I type that out loud? As far as the 4WDABC goes my opinion is still out as to the viability of that organization as a voice for all fourwheeler's. Again, I don't wish to diminish the noble efforts of some of the 4WDABC members but I'm just not convinced that this is the vehicle(no pun intended) to represent us on land use issues. I am sorry to flip flop on my support for some of these initiatives, wait a minute, no I'm not, doh, yes I am, no.....
Bill
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DaveB
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I'm sitting here tonight trying to decide whether to finish up the newsletter, or post the photos from this weekend. I need some help you guys!
My wife Pamela has done most of the newsletter and its just waiting for me to do the finishing touches. I'll get them done in the next day or two, then off to the printers it goes.
But it sure would be nice to have someone take over the web gallery. Bill? Do I hear in that waffling back and forth a desire to volunteer to be the Photo Gallery editor?
As far as membership fees go, the way I see it is that income from advertisers offsets the direct cost of printing and mailing the newsletter. And membership fees were used for other club costs, such as prizes, rent of the agriplex for Founders Day, Northwest Challenge costs, etc.
Of course, this year we had a contribution from 4WDABC that covered a significant portion of our costs for Northwest Challenge, and last year Gerald Bolduc was able to raise a large contribution towards Founders Day. But I think it was Don MacDonald that mentioned that most years he recalls the club ended up with about $10 left in the account leading up to Founders Day.
By the time we purchase a bit more merchandise, pay for the balance of the building rent, pay for postage and printing, pay liability insurance for Founders Day and a few last minute costs, yes we'll be in that $10 category this year.
The advertisers are paying this year with donations "in kind" which gives us some pretty nice draw prizes for Founders Day, but doesn't really bring in cash. It does however help us to not have to go out and buy prizes.
At any rate, an increase in membership cost will allow us to build a little bit more of a cushion than what we end up with right now, and continue to offer you guys some fun events with ocassional things like tshirts, mugs, etc. to create memories. Without an increase I would imagine we'll be doing more in the way of charging participants an entry fee to be involved, which could cause a reduction of participants in events.
Either way, it costs a great deal of time and money to run this club. But so far, for me anyway the return has been great with getting to know you all.
Dave
My wife Pamela has done most of the newsletter and its just waiting for me to do the finishing touches. I'll get them done in the next day or two, then off to the printers it goes.
But it sure would be nice to have someone take over the web gallery. Bill? Do I hear in that waffling back and forth a desire to volunteer to be the Photo Gallery editor?
As far as membership fees go, the way I see it is that income from advertisers offsets the direct cost of printing and mailing the newsletter. And membership fees were used for other club costs, such as prizes, rent of the agriplex for Founders Day, Northwest Challenge costs, etc.
Of course, this year we had a contribution from 4WDABC that covered a significant portion of our costs for Northwest Challenge, and last year Gerald Bolduc was able to raise a large contribution towards Founders Day. But I think it was Don MacDonald that mentioned that most years he recalls the club ended up with about $10 left in the account leading up to Founders Day.
By the time we purchase a bit more merchandise, pay for the balance of the building rent, pay for postage and printing, pay liability insurance for Founders Day and a few last minute costs, yes we'll be in that $10 category this year.
The advertisers are paying this year with donations "in kind" which gives us some pretty nice draw prizes for Founders Day, but doesn't really bring in cash. It does however help us to not have to go out and buy prizes.
At any rate, an increase in membership cost will allow us to build a little bit more of a cushion than what we end up with right now, and continue to offer you guys some fun events with ocassional things like tshirts, mugs, etc. to create memories. Without an increase I would imagine we'll be doing more in the way of charging participants an entry fee to be involved, which could cause a reduction of participants in events.
Either way, it costs a great deal of time and money to run this club. But so far, for me anyway the return has been great with getting to know you all.
Dave
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Boppic
Ok, now Dave as it was you that gave me shit for past comment's which were considered inflammatory.........now would you consider the diarreaha(????) coming out of Bills mouth in good taste, or just because i am a lurker, do i command less respect than Bill......or are there 2 sets of rules...Bill E. wrote: lowlife scumdog non-dues-paying lurkers
Bill
you guys sure talk a good show...
your just like all the rest of the internet participants (me included)
you have your good moments and not so good moments....in other words just being human
i personally find Bill a condesending idiot after his Quote.....
boppic
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DaveB
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Boppic,
I'm really impressed that you, as a lurker, are even interested in a thread about our upcoming AGM! Perhaps theres hope in making you a member yet. :wink:
Note use of smiley. :P :P :P :P
When you or Bill or any other members or lurkers want to post something that could be taken with a double meaning, make use of a smiley to make sure we understand that you are partaking in lighthearted ribbing, and not insults. (Of course Bill put in a text OOOps, as an indication of his humour, but you didn't get it.)
Come on guys. Lets grow up. This is not what this forum is all about!
Dave
I'm really impressed that you, as a lurker, are even interested in a thread about our upcoming AGM! Perhaps theres hope in making you a member yet. :wink:
Note use of smiley. :P :P :P :P
When you or Bill or any other members or lurkers want to post something that could be taken with a double meaning, make use of a smiley to make sure we understand that you are partaking in lighthearted ribbing, and not insults. (Of course Bill put in a text OOOps, as an indication of his humour, but you didn't get it.)
Come on guys. Lets grow up. This is not what this forum is all about!
Dave
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N Hamelin
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DaveB
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Hi Neil,
The membership dues are usually paid early in the new year. There were a couple of other motions to do with membership dues at the last meeting, so it would be best, at least for this year that you hold off sending a cheque for dues until after these motions are voted on at the upcoming AGM. Check the meeting minutes for details.
If you were hoping to vote at the upcoming AGM, you would have to be a member and based upon our current sytem would have to send us payment for the balance of this year, which of course there's not much left of... but that would be $20 for new members and $40 for returning members. Membership details here!
The motions to be voted on would discontinue the current system, and instead allow a new member to pay for their next year's membership in advance after September 1st and be considered a member from that time on including the following year.
thanks, Dave
The membership dues are usually paid early in the new year. There were a couple of other motions to do with membership dues at the last meeting, so it would be best, at least for this year that you hold off sending a cheque for dues until after these motions are voted on at the upcoming AGM. Check the meeting minutes for details.
If you were hoping to vote at the upcoming AGM, you would have to be a member and based upon our current sytem would have to send us payment for the balance of this year, which of course there's not much left of... but that would be $20 for new members and $40 for returning members. Membership details here!
The motions to be voted on would discontinue the current system, and instead allow a new member to pay for their next year's membership in advance after September 1st and be considered a member from that time on including the following year.
thanks, Dave
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Bill E.
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Hi it's Bill(of condescending idiot fame) :D :D :D :D The barbs I threw out earlier were supposed to be in good humour :roll: :roll: Hope I didn't hurt those of a more sensitive nature :lol: :o :o :?
PS Dave, I will talk to you about helping out with the photo editing, if my technologically impaired brain can grasp the process I will help out.
PS Dave, I will talk to you about helping out with the photo editing, if my technologically impaired brain can grasp the process I will help out.
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rick.m
agm.
I would like to add to this thread that i disagree with the club buisness being dragged through the mud slinging i am afraid it is and will be happening. i think it should be known here that the AGM is the place for these comments. where members will be making them in a club meeting enviroment. "just my opinion." all the best. rick.m :oops:
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dchsw
As a non-member (lurker?), I'm not really in a position to comment on the above, so I'll refrain from doing so. However, I would like to become a member. I've been waiting for January, as the whole year deal is the best one.
The link posted by Dave goes to the 2004 membership application, where is the 2005 one? Do I have to wait for a decision on the fee increase?
May I be cheeky and propose a topic for discussion at the AGM? How about allowing payment of fees by PayPal? I know you have to pay a commission, but one or two extra memberships would probably cover that for the year. Just a thought. I know it's going to be a buggers muddle getting cleared Canadian/US funds to you guys from my UK bank account.
One last thing - honest - given the weakness of the US dollar, does sending international funds in that currency still cover your mailing costs?
The link posted by Dave goes to the 2004 membership application, where is the 2005 one? Do I have to wait for a decision on the fee increase?
May I be cheeky and propose a topic for discussion at the AGM? How about allowing payment of fees by PayPal? I know you have to pay a commission, but one or two extra memberships would probably cover that for the year. Just a thought. I know it's going to be a buggers muddle getting cleared Canadian/US funds to you guys from my UK bank account.
One last thing - honest - given the weakness of the US dollar, does sending international funds in that currency still cover your mailing costs?
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DaveB
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Hi dshsw
The Paypal membership idea was tossed around a bit at the last monthly meeting, and there's little reason why we shouldn't accept memberships that way. Jost gotta get organized a bit. Good idea.
I also threw out the idea that some of the other forums are taking donations to help with costs for those "lurkers" that may not be in the region or may have other reasons for not joining, but would still be happy to help the cause. Hmmm maybe we need an associate mebership?!?
We probably won't have time to get the new membership form up for a couple of weeks, but it'll definitely be up by years end.
Dave
The Paypal membership idea was tossed around a bit at the last monthly meeting, and there's little reason why we shouldn't accept memberships that way. Jost gotta get organized a bit. Good idea.
I also threw out the idea that some of the other forums are taking donations to help with costs for those "lurkers" that may not be in the region or may have other reasons for not joining, but would still be happy to help the cause. Hmmm maybe we need an associate mebership?!?
We probably won't have time to get the new membership form up for a couple of weeks, but it'll definitely be up by years end.
Dave
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dchsw
Dave,
Yes, associate membership sounds like a good idea. Maybe the difference in fee is simply the $15 that goes to the 4WDABC.
Personaly, I'll go for the whole thing. I still have this wild and crazy fantasy that your govenment will have let me in the country before I need to renew in '06.
But I'm not holding my breath :wink:
Cheers,
David
Yes, associate membership sounds like a good idea. Maybe the difference in fee is simply the $15 that goes to the 4WDABC.
Personaly, I'll go for the whole thing. I still have this wild and crazy fantasy that your govenment will have let me in the country before I need to renew in '06.
But I'm not holding my breath :wink:
Cheers,
David