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iPad Door Crasher deal - get it for navigation

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:58 pm
by DaveB
Some of you have seen the setup I've got using an iPad for navigation, and commented that you wanted one.

Well here's the deal of the year...

Simply computing (www.simply.ca) is having a Black Friday sale this week with 64 GB 3G iPads (gen 1) for a measly $199, which is about 1/4 of their original price when they were replaced by the iPad 2 a few months back.

This will make an excellent nav system, combined with your choice of nav apps, not to mention an all-round very usable tablet computer.

cheers, Dave

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:14 am
by red90
Hi Dave.

Would you mind sharing some details of the setup? What software are you using? Are you using the built in GPS or an external one? What mount are you using for the truck?

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:45 am
by DaveB
Hi John,

I got an iPad 1, 3G, 32 GB for my 50th birthday last year. This is the basis of the navigation system.

You can use a WIFI iPad as well, but it doesn't have a real built in GPS, and therefore you have to use an external GPS, of which there are a number, all with Pros and Cons. I wanted the 3G model, not for the fact that it connects to the cell network, but rather for the fact that it has a real GPS built in, that works well, even if you don't purchase a 3G data package. In terms of accuracy, GPS technology is constantly evolving and theres a couple of features the built in GPS doesn't have that are now a bit of a buzz, but compared to any other GPS receiver I've owned, the built in GPS in the iPad is far more accurate than anything I've used, and the GPS in the iPad 2 is supposed to be even better. So if you don't own an iPad, make sure you buy the 3G version, or you'll be spending an extra $60-$120 on a GPS receiver anyway.

As far as software, there are a large number of iPad navigation apps available, both simple and sophisticated, and mostly priced between 99¢ and $25. After trying the free trial versions of about 10 different ones, I've found GaiaGPS to be the most satisfactory, both in terms of its interface, and the responsiveness of the programmers to bug fixes and feature additions. Second to that would be MotionX HD, which has a much richer interface, but is far more dependent on cell or wifi service, and provides less in the way of real topographic data. These two apps, as well as a few others are being discussed frequently on Expedition Portal...

In terms of mount, RAM mounts out of Seattle have a bunch of iPad options. I chose this one: http://www.ram-mount.com/NewProducts/Ap ... sivecradle

As you can see they have lots of variations. I use their 3" suction cup to mount it to the windshield. There is no reduction of signal with the Discovery heated windshield, or the Series truck aluminum top. I used this on a speed run of the Hunters Range Jeep Trail in my Series IIa, and Northwest Challenge in my Disco II and the suction cup held on tight, not dropping off once. Both of these runs were bouncy in the extreme, as my passenger can attest.

Lastly, I purchased an antiglare screen protector for the iPad. It gets quite dusty at times on the trail, especially in the Series truck, and while the iPad has no moving mechanical parts, I don't want to scratch the glass. The anti-glare really helped, as the screen is very glossy and the glass does reflect bright light. The anti-glare screen totally eliminated this while still maintaining nearly the full brightness it had before.

Oh, one more thing – power. You can run for about 6 hours off the battery, as the GPS app, since its alway on, drains the battery as quickly as watching a movie. I run an inverter built in both trucks, but there are a number of accessory plug chargers available for the iPad. I've found that when the iPad is doing it's thing with navigation, that the charger will maintain current battery state, but will not actually increase the charge of the battery. The other charge related thing is that sometimes you just don't need the GPS, say if you're driving a 30 mile gravel road with no turns. In that case, you can turn off the screen and save the energy, but the GPS maintains its lock and the program maintains all the waypoints, etc, so when you turn the screen back on, everything is right there in front of you.

Oh, and one more thing – other stuff. Don't forget that the iPad is darn close to a full fledged computer, so its easy to take your email, contacts, web access, a few books and movies, etc. along with you.

Most current programmers for iPad are also offering their programs for Android, so you don't absolutely have to have an iPad to enjoy the advantages of tablet navigation, however I think iPad is far ahead in terms of the user experience and smoothness of integrating software and hardware.

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:18 pm
by red90
Have you had much chance to test the GPS in "challenging" conditions yet? Heavy tree cover, canyons, etc...

How is "offline" map availability? That would be my biggest concern. The only good map availability I've seen for what we do is in Garmin format. I don't think anyone is doing an app that will read Garmin maps offline (yet). I'll give your recommended app a looksy tonight.

Have you seen any decent mounts that include a built in power? RAM mounts are always nice, but they never include that.

I have GPS units coming out my ears as I run a trail mapping project. I received an iPad2 last month free so I had been contemplating setting it up as a light carputer. Unfortunately it is wifi version so I'd need a bluetooth GPS.

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:25 pm
by Bill E.
Hi Dave,
Sounds like a great deal at Simply but I noticed on their website that there is only one unit per store :roll:

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:56 pm
by DaveB
I understand its 1-2 units per store. YOu might have to line up early... :wink:

Dave

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:02 pm
by DaveB
red90 wrote:Have you had much chance to test the GPS in "challenging" conditions yet? Heavy tree cover, canyons, etc...
Heavy tree cover no problems, deep canyon decreased accuracy to a few hundred metres but still maintained a lock on a couple of satellites.
red90 wrote:How is "offline" map availability? That would be my biggest concern. The only good map availability I've seen for what we do is in Garmin format. I don't think anyone is doing an app that will read Garmin maps offline (yet). I'll give your recommended app a looksy tonight.
Etopo/MyTopo, which are about 20 years old, Cloudmade, OpenStreetMap & Google Satellite (can't be advance downloaded). Other Apps have other choices. No perfect one yet as far as I can tell.
red90 wrote:Have you seen any decent mounts that include a built in power? RAM mounts are always nice, but they never include that.
That would be an interesting mount. Let me know if you find one.

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:16 pm
by red90
Dave wrote:Etopo/MyTopo, which are about 20 years old, Cloudmade, OpenStreetMap & Google Satellite (can't be advance downloaded). Other Apps have other choices. No perfect one yet as far as I can tell.
Yes, I had look around today and I think at the moment there are no IOS or Android apps that do enough to make me happy. I'd have to go Windows based. It is too bad as it would be easy enough to program.