Mercedes Diesel in a Land Rover

A Mercedes Diesel in your Series Land Rover?

Fol­low­ing is a col­lec­tion of mes­sages sent to the BC Land Rover E‑mail List:


Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:29:16 ‑0800

Has any­one out there installed a Mer­cedes dies­el in a Landy?

Jim Skelton


Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 16:06:00 ‑0500

I’ve cor­res­pon­ded with a couple folks who did, and even­tu­ally changed to

oth­er engines for vari­ous reas­ons. A lot depends on what you want a

dif­fer­ent engine to do that a stock one does­n’t do. Fully developed kits are

avail­able, even on the used mar­ket. Doug Ship­man had a 300 com­plete with

adapter kit for sale ($1500usd, if I recall cor­rectly) for quite a while.

They are rel­at­ively heavy and large, although they do fit, and require

taller gear­ing, unless you’re strictly off-road­ing (an over­drive isn’t

adequate for exten­ded high­way use and has mar­gin­al strength for the power).

All that being said, I must add that I haven’t any per­son­al exper­i­ence with

the con­ver­sion, only what I was able to find while research­ing dies­els. Drop

me a line, dir­ect, if you would like to dis­cuss it more. I can prob­ably

track down the where­abouts of Doug’s for you, even if he’s sold it. My best

recom­mend­a­tion for a Series rig would be a 2.5, if you want a simple yet

extremely work­able con­ver­sion, but I know they’re hard to find.

JohnO

’64 109 2.25 Mercruiser/Rover dies­el


Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 19:03:55 ‑0800

It’s been done.4 and 5 cylinder.I am look­ing for an adapter plate if

there’s one around,even if just to copy.

Andre


Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 19:12:46 ‑0800

I’ve done con­sid­er­able research as well.I have installed toyota

diesels,worked with guys who have done perkins(mazda) and nis­san units.I

also checked in to iszue.And i saw what was involved with the iveco

units.After all is said and done,the biggest prob­lem with the toyota is the

noise,Land Rover is the noise,Nissan is the noise.Perkins(mazda) and

Mer­cedes is the smoothest and quietest of them all.Mercedes dies­els used are

plen­ti­ful and with some patience a good one can be found rel­at­ively

cheap.The unit Ship­man has,I don’t know if it’s for sale or sold because he

was reluct­ant to give me any con­crete answer when i saw him in Belview last

year.I know of a couple of trucks with the mer­cedes in it but they are not

loc­al and i still want to see them before i go any farther.

Andre


Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 09:31:15 ‑0700

My good friend Michael Woodger has had a mer­cedes dies­el installed in

his NADA LWB. He is still exper­i­ment­ing with fuel eco­nomy and the likes

but I believe he is quite happy with it.

Colin ’63 SWB


Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 10:49:04 ‑0800

Is he run­ning the 4 or 5 cyl­in­der and where did he get the adapter plate

from or did he make his own? What’s he using for the rad and did he modi­fy

any of the frame mounts?

Andre


Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 15:31:04 ‑0700

He is run­ning the 4 cyl­in­der. The adapter plate is from Cyprus. Our loc­al Edmon­ton LR mech­an­ic is from there and imports them. This mech­an­ic also did the engine rebuild and con­ver­sion. The rad is the ori­gin­al and I believe the mounts must have been mod­i­fied.

Hope this helps. Colin


Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 16:23:06 ‑0800

Do you have the phone # for this guy? or the name of his shop?

I have a friend in need of this kit ASAP. Thanx,

Chris Young­son VE7CST


Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 18:25:09 ‑0800


I lurk on your list.. put my two bits worth in every once in awhile.. this Mer­cedes dies­el adap­tion sounds inter­est­ing !!.. What kind of horse power and torque do they have? Is there a tur­boed four cyl­in­der?..

I know there are turbo fives… they most put out close to 175 — 200 hp and

gobs of torque.. be great in a 109…

mc


Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 19:04:56 ‑0800

What does the plate cost approximately?And whats the address or con­tact of

this cyprus out­fit?

thanx Andre


Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 19:26:30 ‑0800

Actu­ally the 5 puts out just a little less than the toyota but is much

quieter and smooth­er and bet­ter mileage.I have a spec sheet somewhere.I

think the 4 tur­boed isn’t avail­able in north america.the none turbo is very

close to rat­ing as the ori­gin­al landy diesel,again bet­ter

mileage,smoother,and quieter.The tur­boed 5 is just over the toyota specs in

power.I have done sev­er­al toyota swaps and it is only good with the late 3

trans because it is the strongest.And you def­in­itely need the salis­bury.

Andre


Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:30:55 ‑0700

Call Edmon­ton 1 – 403-455‑2404 and talk to Chris. He imports them from Cyprus( the nice warm place way down south).

Colin


Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 15:18:44 ‑0700

There was a thread a while back about MB dies­els in rovers. Someone

said there was a guy in Edmon­ton? who did the con­ver­sion. Is there any

more info on this guy, his con­ver­sion etc. out there?

Clin­ton


Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 17:05:05 ‑0400

OK Clin­ton, I’ll start the ball rolling here. I don’t have any of the posts

from last time, but here’s what I’ve heard about MB con­ver­sions, 2nd hand:

1) Don’t expect stock gear­ing to work well- the Rover engine is one of the

faster turn­ing dies­els, and the gear­ing is appro­pri­ate. If you use a slower

turn­ing engine (Mer­cedes, Per­kins, York, etc), you’ll need “taller” gear­ing,

either by chan­ging to 3.54 diffs, or “high-ratio trans­fer case, or a

dif­fer­ent trans­mis­sion. An over­drive will also help, but they don’t last

long (in my opin­ion) in high-torque use. The Rover engine can cruise at over

4000rpm, the Mer­cedes red­lines at 3600 (depend­ing on mod­el), or about 55mph

with stock gear­ing. Keep in mind that’s the red­line, and they cruise really

hap­pily at about 2400 to 3000rpm, or 38 to 46mph. The over­drive will take

the red­line up to almost 70, and “best cruise” to 45 to 58. Unfor­tu­nately,

the stock Mer­cedes engine torque band drops off near red­line, although

they’ll have ter­rif­ic climb­ing torque at idle speeds.

2) Don’t expect a used Mer­cedes engine to run bet­ter than your old Rover

engine. Rebuild­ing to top con­di­tion is extremely expens­ive, which is often

why they show up on the used mar­ket. They last a long time, if they start

out fresh, often driv­ing well over 250,000 miles with aver­age main­ten­ance.

Oil con­sump­tion can get fright­ful near the end though.

3) They are loud, espe­cially at high­er revs. The nice quiet cars they come

in are heav­ily insu­lated for good reas­on. Listen to a Uni­mog, or

Mas­sey-Fer­guson tract­or for com­par­is­on. Sid­e­note: earplugs are cheap­er than

insu­la­tion, unless you want to con­verse with pas­sen­gers.

4) On the plus side, oth­er people have worked the bugs out of the con­ver­sion

and remained happy with the res­ults. That can be a great help. The

con­ver­sion that Doug Ship­man had a year or two ago was removed after a

com­plete con­ver­sion in a 109 because the own­er did­n’t like the way it turned

out. You may have oth­er expect­a­tions. Doug was ask­ing $1500usd for the

com­plete con­ver­sion kit and engine, and I think finally sold it after a long

time. Talk to the people who have done the con­ver­sion (obvi­ously what you’re

try­ing to do here).

5) expect bet­ter fuel eco­nomy. 30mpg and bet­ter is com­mon with the dir­ect

injec­tion engines.

Good luck,

JohnO

’64 109 dies­el (’63 MerCruiser/Rover 2.25 dies­el)

Under­geared, expens­ive, slow and noi­sey. Just like it came from the fact­ory.

Did I men­tion the 27mpg?


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